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1.tmv23Posts: 84

Okay, so dont get me wrong, I'm not by any means an expert in copyright laws, but this line in the bottom is staight up dangerous for you, because there are parts of content here which you clearly do not have a copyright for. First of all there are the pictures of players which have been published at Liquidpedia or elsewhere under a CC license. You can use them, but you cant claim they are yours. In some cases you also have to give credit to the original creator of the picture and link to the license they used (e.g. CC-BY-SA licenses). If you dont, basically they could bring you to court for copyright violation, as harsh as this sounds.

Another point are the player biographys. I checked it for Scarlett and its a 1:1 copy paste from Liquidpedia. Again you can probably use that, but you cant claim copyright for it and probably have to link to them. But to be honest I'd just clear all of those biographys completely and just link to Liquidpedia, because they keep their biographies uptodate, while we focus on other things (the closest to complete database of e sport results).

I think it's legal to claim copyright on databases so you are fine on that point (which is probably the most important one as its the core of the page). But again i'm no expert on the matter and you should check that.

2.GGBVanixPosts: 77

If you click on the player pics, it brings you to the "Image Information" page where you can see all the details of the respective image. Managing copyrights is the single biggest reason why you can't add/change images in the Development Area. I don't want anyone adding images without understanding the license of an image (or at least understanding fair use/dealing rationale of an unlicensed image), and from my experience, a lot of content creators don't understand this either.

Just as an example, here's the information on MC's pic:

http://www.esportsearnings.com/imglicense/1044-1000-mc-min-chul-jang-jpg

I'm not a lawyer either, but even a layman can do their due diligence on copyright law and I really wish more content creators would do this.

3.tmv23Posts: 84

Lol, I never had the idea to click on those, my bad I guess. :D

Maybe you could add a small remark under the picture like "click for license detail/additional information [whatever]" or just a tooltip, but well its not as bad as I thought then. As I mentioned before I'm also an author at Wikipedia which made me beeing aware of those Copyright shenanigans. What I said about the player descriptions should still apply though.

4.gOrdi [OP]Posts: 27

Hi guys,

I think it would be a good idea to create an esportsearnings twitter account, maybe with an automatic message for each tournament published.

We could as well use it to publish some interesting/cool stats, when one of the admins find one. The account would be shared between us.

I've seen a lot of people tweeting numbers from this website, why not do it ourselves ?

Cheers

5.tmv23Posts: 84

"maybe with an automatic message for each tournament published."

this might be a spam orgy when we are grinding a dozen of Go4s in a few minutes :D

Except that its a good idea.

6.gOrdi [OP]Posts: 27

Yes good point, maybe we could have the automatic tweet only for tournament over 10k $ ?

7.Sycorax_Posts: 4

gOrdi wrote on 12/21/2014 2:31:43 PM:

Yes good point, maybe we could have the automatic tweet only for tournament over 10k $ ?

It should be different for every game. In CS:GO 10k is a lot of money, in Dota or in LoL those tournaments are peanuts.

8.tmv23Posts: 84

western lol is atm in a weird spot where there arent a lot of high money tournaments because all the elite teams play lcs only (and iem events, which are riot partners)

there is less than you probably think with 10k and more for LoL.

9.gOrdi [OP]Posts: 27

Hello guys,

I'd like to ask you how you think we should deal with standins for long duration tournaments.

The last example is the ESL ESEA League :

http://esportsearnings.com/tournaments/12091-esl-esea-na-pro-league-s1 http://esportsearnings.com/tournaments/12090-esl-esea-eu-pro-league-s1

I added the lineups by taking the official current roster, but then mAyo edited the lineups and added every player who played, even just one game.

In my opinion, we should not add standins, even if they played 2-3 games during the season. It's just too complicated to follow every game, and it looks messy on the website (you got teams with 5 players, some with 6-7-8...).

Then you got the issue of roster changes during the season. Until now, I just added the players from the current roster, because it's more convenient.

What do you think ?

10.NurmisPosts: 11

I agree with you. Maybe add in a note saying that these players were playing as standins during this season? I also highly doubt that the standins get same kinds of cuts from the prize money. It would be fun to know actually, if they get any kind of cut at all, or are they just doing favors for friends.

11.mAyoPosts: 6

I really don't know how to handle with this theme. In my opinion all these players should be noticed, also if they played only few minutes. Standins also could get an important role in the game; for example in CS:GO they could get match-winning frags in this time. Maybe we could notice standins only in the tournament information text, so they wont be part of the prize money distribution.

12.tmv23Posts: 84

There are similar cases in League of Legends Major Leagues with standins as well as Teams that have more than 5 permanent members. I usually add them completly (of course only when they made at least one game). Same in SC2 Proleagues, I took all players that played for a team in the certain timeframe.

Another example: Currently I'm preparing to add the EPS Germany Regular Seasons for multiple games including CS/CSS from years ago, and sometimes more than 5 players were fielded there too over the whole season. I can not know or decide who was a permanent member of the team back then without massive research (probably I could not at all) -

So all in all I'd tend to list all players that made an apperance for the team at a given event, regardless of standin or not.

13.GGBVanixPosts: 77

I think the context is also important here. Some teams do bring on players that act as "official standins" at events, and I heard they get a cut even if they don't play at all. But I also heard of "emergency standins" where if, for example, a player on a team gets sick during an event and they have no official subs, they find someone at the LAN to standin (if tournament rules allow it), and just pay them a flat fee (or not). Those standins usually don't get a cut. Not 100% sure though. I don't know the right answer. Perhaps different rules apply to different games?

For now, I think standins that have been officially announced prior to the tournament gets a cut.

14.hengkhmerPosts: 1

I think it's legal to claim copyright on databases so you are fine on that point.

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